1 00:00:22,420 --> 00:00:09,110 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:31,269 --> 00:00:25,160 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:31,279 episode number 283 for the 23rd of March 4 00:00:37,549 --> 00:00:34,890 2014 Richardson is here with you from 5 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:37,559 Sydney Australia still humid folks oh 6 00:00:42,950 --> 00:00:41,010 boy still muggy it's the sort of weather 7 00:00:46,549 --> 00:00:42,960 that makes you want to move to a well I 8 00:00:48,590 --> 00:00:46,559 don't know Russia which is a interesting 9 00:00:51,529 --> 00:00:48,600 because today's first guest on the 10 00:00:54,310 --> 00:00:51,539 skeptic zone is a somebody new on the 11 00:00:56,900 --> 00:00:54,320 scene world new to me kir deal from 12 00:00:59,330 --> 00:00:56,910 Moscow he's going to tell us all about 13 00:01:02,689 --> 00:00:59,340 the Russian skeptics and their podcast 14 00:01:05,539 --> 00:01:02,699 now this is a first a Russian skeptic on 15 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:05,549 the skeptic zone from russia with love 16 00:01:09,679 --> 00:01:07,650 we might say coming up to kick off the 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:09,689 show following that it's a weekend signs 18 00:01:13,370 --> 00:01:11,010 from our good friends at the Royal 19 00:01:15,469 --> 00:01:13,380 Institution of Australia say it all 20 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:15,479 together folks you must know it by now w 21 00:01:22,249 --> 00:01:20,130 WR IA us ova you I keep promising to go 22 00:01:24,499 --> 00:01:22,259 down there and lounge about the Royal 23 00:01:27,620 --> 00:01:24,509 Institution of Australia and make a pest 24 00:01:30,050 --> 00:01:27,630 of myself I'll I'll make good on that 25 00:01:31,550 --> 00:01:30,060 promise one day but can't wait to see 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:31,560 what's happening this week in a week in 27 00:01:37,580 --> 00:01:34,770 science after that it's dr. Rachel ports 28 00:01:40,580 --> 00:01:37,590 what an interesting dr. AG it's a blast 29 00:01:43,249 --> 00:01:40,590 from the past because so much has 30 00:01:44,870 --> 00:01:43,259 happened over the years of the skeptic 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:44,880 zone in relation to the Australian 32 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:46,770 vaccination network or as they call 33 00:01:53,370 --> 00:01:48,570 themselves now the Australian 34 00:02:01,510 --> 00:01:58,240 I thought I would play from 2009 early 35 00:02:03,940 --> 00:02:01,520 2009 the very first time dr. Richie 36 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:03,950 reported on the Australian vaccination 37 00:02:10,660 --> 00:02:08,330 network Wow a blast from the past one of 38 00:02:12,430 --> 00:02:10,670 the very first dr. eat cheese while she 39 00:02:13,900 --> 00:02:12,440 was doing in reports for a while but 40 00:02:15,910 --> 00:02:13,910 this is the one of the very first ones 41 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:15,920 where she mentions the Australian 42 00:02:22,990 --> 00:02:18,770 vaccination networks so dr. Rachel 43 00:02:25,810 --> 00:02:23,000 reporting from 2009 then to round off 44 00:02:27,820 --> 00:02:25,820 the show another long-distance interview 45 00:02:32,020 --> 00:02:27,830 I talked to Frank Mercia from the 46 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:32,030 Sacramento area skeptics and he's going 47 00:02:38,190 --> 00:02:35,290 to tell us about the upcoming skip decal 48 00:02:40,750 --> 00:02:38,200 skeptical now I've been to many are 49 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:40,760 skeptical conventions around the world 50 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:43,250 skeptic hours not one of them one year I 51 00:02:48,790 --> 00:02:45,170 hope to make that one convention I have 52 00:02:50,590 --> 00:02:48,800 been do twice very lucky QED in 53 00:02:53,430 --> 00:02:50,600 Manchester in England that's coming up 54 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:53,440 next month and I'm delighted delighted 55 00:02:59,530 --> 00:02:56,810 to say that our very own Iran sir give 56 00:03:01,960 --> 00:02:59,540 reporter on the skeptic zone and past 57 00:03:05,340 --> 00:03:01,970 president of Australian skeptics will be 58 00:03:08,020 --> 00:03:05,350 speaking at QED if you see him there 59 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:08,030 please run up and say hello it's a 60 00:03:13,330 --> 00:03:10,610 lovely fellow a really good skeptic who 61 00:03:15,250 --> 00:03:13,340 does some marvelous work for the 62 00:03:17,949 --> 00:03:15,260 skeptical organization and knowledgeable 63 00:03:21,010 --> 00:03:17,959 and if you get a chance to hear him 64 00:03:23,050 --> 00:03:21,020 speak take it and if you get a chance to 65 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:23,060 go to QED don't miss it it's one of the 66 00:03:27,190 --> 00:03:25,610 better skeptical conventions around the 67 00:03:29,650 --> 00:03:27,200 world and of course we can't go on 68 00:03:33,190 --> 00:03:29,660 without mentioning the amazing meeting 69 00:03:35,710 --> 00:03:33,200 I'm quite flattered to be on the line up 70 00:03:38,380 --> 00:03:35,720 once again this year in Las Vegas for 71 00:03:40,870 --> 00:03:38,390 more information head to the website of 72 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:40,880 the James Randi Educational Foundation 73 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:44,510 and I'm also thrilled to bits that a 74 00:03:48,580 --> 00:03:46,730 good friend of the skeptical movement in 75 00:03:52,509 --> 00:03:48,590 fact a former Australian skeptic of the 76 00:03:54,670 --> 00:03:52,519 year dr. Carlson iski will be at tam 77 00:03:57,370 --> 00:03:54,680 this year in Las Vegas with a host of 78 00:04:00,280 --> 00:03:57,380 other people wonderful lineup run to the 79 00:04:02,740 --> 00:04:00,290 J ref website get your tickets as soon 80 00:04:04,750 --> 00:04:02,750 as you can and i'll see you at the 81 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:04,760 amazing meeting thank you for all those 82 00:04:07,059 --> 00:04:06,050 people who have been writing in with 83 00:04:10,509 --> 00:04:07,069 questions 84 00:04:13,030 --> 00:04:10,519 for our good friend dr. Besh sub who is 85 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:13,040 our right now locked up in the sort of a 86 00:04:20,259 --> 00:04:17,449 Mars simulation in the the desert neuter 87 00:04:23,230 --> 00:04:20,269 he'll be sending his reply to your 88 00:04:24,430 --> 00:04:23,240 questions hopefully very soon you know 89 00:04:26,890 --> 00:04:24,440 it takes a long while to get the 90 00:04:29,290 --> 00:04:26,900 messages back from Mars and i will read 91 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:29,300 those out on next week's show those 92 00:04:32,999 --> 00:04:31,250 people in sydney there's still time for 93 00:04:35,740 --> 00:04:33,009 you to get your tickets for the upcoming 94 00:04:38,110 --> 00:04:35,750 sydney skeptics didn't talk on the 95 00:04:40,570 --> 00:04:38,120 twenty-ninth of march featuring cat and 96 00:04:42,939 --> 00:04:40,580 joshy talking at all about wind farm 97 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:42,949 syndrome you can get your tickets at 98 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:45,530 skeptics Comte you and there will be a 99 00:04:52,029 --> 00:04:48,289 giveaway on that night of another cosmos 100 00:04:54,909 --> 00:04:52,039 prize pack consisting of a cosmos carry 101 00:04:56,469 --> 00:04:54,919 bag the cosmos book and some other 102 00:04:59,560 --> 00:04:56,479 goodies thanks to our friends at the 103 00:05:01,870 --> 00:04:59,570 National Geographic Channel and while 104 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:01,880 you're at the the website of Australian 105 00:05:07,089 --> 00:05:04,370 skeptics for heaven's sake book your 106 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:07,099 tickets for the 2014 Australian skeptics 107 00:05:11,620 --> 00:05:09,050 National Convention featuring the 108 00:05:15,070 --> 00:05:11,630 skeptics guide to the universe George 109 00:05:17,710 --> 00:05:15,080 arab dick smith a dr. Karl cousin iski 110 00:05:20,620 --> 00:05:17,720 and indeed again rachel dunlop will be 111 00:05:23,249 --> 00:05:20,630 giving a talk the list goes on get your 112 00:05:25,330 --> 00:05:23,259 tickets while they're hot as they say 113 00:05:27,310 --> 00:05:25,340 well it's time for me to run downstairs 114 00:05:29,159 --> 00:05:27,320 and gargle more whatever the hell I'm 115 00:05:33,249 --> 00:05:29,169 supposed to goggle because i'm 116 00:05:35,350 --> 00:05:33,259 ninety-five percent on my way to getting 117 00:05:37,270 --> 00:05:35,360 better after the nephew cold i got a 118 00:05:38,620 --> 00:05:37,280 couple weeks ago one of those rotten 119 00:05:40,930 --> 00:05:38,630 things that really hangs in there 120 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:40,940 because you can probably hear look well 121 00:05:46,810 --> 00:05:44,449 i do that and ponder the universe as 122 00:06:05,220 --> 00:05:46,820 they say i'll let you enjoy the skeptics 123 00:06:11,490 --> 00:06:08,040 from Russia 124 00:06:21,780 --> 00:06:16,080 I've fly to you 125 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:21,790 much wiser since my 126 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:23,930 you goodbye 127 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:25,850 you know folks I've been to many places 128 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:28,130 around the world I love traveling to see 129 00:06:33,969 --> 00:06:30,530 fellow skeptics and far-flung places 130 00:06:36,100 --> 00:06:33,979 like Scotland even no way United States 131 00:06:38,230 --> 00:06:36,110 wherever I can get to basically but you 132 00:06:41,260 --> 00:06:38,240 know one place I haven't been to is 133 00:06:44,140 --> 00:06:41,270 Russia Mother Russia and speaking to me 134 00:06:45,700 --> 00:06:44,150 from Mother Russia from Moscow to tell 135 00:06:47,860 --> 00:06:45,710 us all about the skeptical movement 136 00:06:51,969 --> 00:06:47,870 there and some other news it's curial 137 00:06:53,379 --> 00:06:51,979 hello Kirill hey Richard it's really 138 00:06:57,010 --> 00:06:53,389 great to talk with you you know you're 139 00:06:58,420 --> 00:06:57,020 the first guest from Russia yeah it's 140 00:07:00,999 --> 00:06:58,430 nice to know actually they were getting 141 00:07:03,879 --> 00:07:01,009 out there yes well you came to my 142 00:07:05,650 --> 00:07:03,889 attention via the wonderful Susan Grbac 143 00:07:08,830 --> 00:07:05,660 who wrote to me suggesting that you 144 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:08,840 might be someone who I could chat to and 145 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:10,910 i'm very glad she did now you're in 146 00:07:17,230 --> 00:07:13,250 Moscow at the moment and has the weather 147 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:17,240 in Moscow horrible if you're the pro 148 00:07:23,650 --> 00:07:20,090 well it depends because if if you're if 149 00:07:25,659 --> 00:07:23,660 you like snow and sudden cold weather 150 00:07:27,730 --> 00:07:25,669 then you're right but if you were like 151 00:07:29,740 --> 00:07:27,740 two weeks into spring and then suddenly 152 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:29,750 you wake up and have snow outside your 153 00:07:38,140 --> 00:07:33,770 window well so I'm a person who waits 154 00:07:39,790 --> 00:07:38,150 for summer I'm the summer guy so not so 155 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:39,800 good for me but hopefully they say it's 156 00:07:44,230 --> 00:07:42,289 going to be better well we've we've had 157 00:07:45,790 --> 00:07:44,240 enough summer here in sydney i think i 158 00:07:48,909 --> 00:07:45,800 can tell you i'll send you some summer 159 00:07:50,379 --> 00:07:48,919 heat and humidity to uh to russia and 160 00:07:54,310 --> 00:07:50,389 you can send me some nice cool weather 161 00:07:56,110 --> 00:07:54,320 down here yeah i actually actually have 162 00:07:59,499 --> 00:07:56,120 a friend in australia who said he can 163 00:08:01,240 --> 00:07:59,509 swap said yeah let's go let's go but i 164 00:08:03,249 --> 00:08:01,250 think that's an excellent idea now what 165 00:08:05,020 --> 00:08:03,259 can you tell me about the skeptical 166 00:08:07,149 --> 00:08:05,030 movement in russia and I'll say that I 167 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:07,159 know very little about it but I do 168 00:08:11,290 --> 00:08:09,050 remember seeing and I think it's online 169 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:11,300 an interesting documentary called 170 00:08:15,279 --> 00:08:13,130 secrets of the psychics made many years 171 00:08:18,670 --> 00:08:15,289 ago where James Randi actually went to 172 00:08:21,070 --> 00:08:18,680 Russia yeah I saw that I was well and it 173 00:08:24,310 --> 00:08:21,080 was interesting because skeptics 174 00:08:27,730 --> 00:08:24,320 movement in Russia basically doesn't 175 00:08:32,399 --> 00:08:27,740 exist yet so as a movement I say that 176 00:08:35,260 --> 00:08:32,409 were like very very early on right now 177 00:08:37,540 --> 00:08:35,270 and it's interesting because we can 178 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:37,550 compare that situation to the 179 00:08:42,519 --> 00:08:40,010 english-speaking world where they 180 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:42,529 started like in the seventies in the 80s 181 00:08:47,350 --> 00:08:45,050 yeah we're internet was not around I and 182 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:47,360 that's my interpretation of wise that is 183 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:50,810 going on is that nowadays by a movement 184 00:08:55,329 --> 00:08:53,330 people typically think that they have to 185 00:08:56,949 --> 00:08:55,339 make a website they have to start 186 00:08:58,930 --> 00:08:56,959 posting articles or something and 187 00:09:02,949 --> 00:08:58,940 especially people are taking advantage 188 00:09:06,130 --> 00:09:02,959 of social networks Facebook or in Russia 189 00:09:10,180 --> 00:09:06,140 the main network is like Vkontakte it's 190 00:09:13,420 --> 00:09:10,190 like Russian Facebook and so a lot of 191 00:09:17,019 --> 00:09:13,430 the what the so-called movement is on 192 00:09:19,930 --> 00:09:17,029 the social networks so those are groups 193 00:09:21,490 --> 00:09:19,940 dedicated to promoting science those are 194 00:09:26,860 --> 00:09:21,500 groups dedicated to promoting critical 195 00:09:29,139 --> 00:09:26,870 thinking but the way I see it that's not 196 00:09:32,259 --> 00:09:29,149 a movement yet because most of these 197 00:09:34,690 --> 00:09:32,269 people are not going offline and the 198 00:09:37,769 --> 00:09:34,700 problem that I see here is that most of 199 00:09:40,990 --> 00:09:37,779 the skeptical activism is a flying and 200 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:41,000 people go to our alternative medicine 201 00:09:48,250 --> 00:09:45,290 doctors offline they are going and doing 202 00:09:51,010 --> 00:09:48,260 some religious stuff offline and so 203 00:09:54,010 --> 00:09:51,020 while online is good as an informational 204 00:09:56,860 --> 00:09:54,020 carrier so to speak but there is almost 205 00:09:59,050 --> 00:09:56,870 zero activity offline and so when Randy 206 00:10:01,990 --> 00:09:59,060 came to Russia he actually talked to 207 00:10:04,569 --> 00:10:02,000 people you know that's almost unheard of 208 00:10:08,980 --> 00:10:04,579 yet and just we're just making first 209 00:10:10,660 --> 00:10:08,990 steps to going offline and a year ago is 210 00:10:12,490 --> 00:10:10,670 basically where we started because 211 00:10:16,300 --> 00:10:12,500 tomorrow actually is one year of 212 00:10:19,300 --> 00:10:16,310 skeptics society Russia we're not yet 213 00:10:22,930 --> 00:10:19,310 like a registered non-commercial 214 00:10:26,769 --> 00:10:22,940 organization yet but we are very much 215 00:10:28,530 --> 00:10:26,779 formed I believe at this point so we're 216 00:10:31,210 --> 00:10:28,540 worth once we're taking things apply 217 00:10:33,610 --> 00:10:31,220 mostly that's that's really good to hear 218 00:10:35,710 --> 00:10:33,620 and it's interesting and you've got me 219 00:10:37,930 --> 00:10:35,720 thinking about that documentary to now I 220 00:10:39,730 --> 00:10:37,940 I was fascinated when I saw it 221 00:10:43,030 --> 00:10:39,740 originally because Randy went to Russia 222 00:10:45,430 --> 00:10:43,040 not long after the really the collapse 223 00:10:48,370 --> 00:10:45,440 of the Soviet Union and he discovered a 224 00:10:50,740 --> 00:10:48,380 lot of mysticism and very strange 225 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:50,750 practices what's the story like now in 226 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:51,410 Russia's 227 00:10:57,749 --> 00:10:55,370 as the scientific method as it become 228 00:11:00,069 --> 00:10:57,759 more apparent or is there still lots of 229 00:11:03,790 --> 00:11:00,079 what we might call woo woo and 230 00:11:05,499 --> 00:11:03,800 interesting things going on well in that 231 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:05,509 regard I think every country in the 232 00:11:11,350 --> 00:11:08,810 world is pretty much about the same that 233 00:11:14,790 --> 00:11:11,360 many many people believe in like there 234 00:11:17,889 --> 00:11:14,800 is superstition to this or that level 235 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:17,899 even if a person is very well educated I 236 00:11:24,730 --> 00:11:21,410 think it's very probable that you will 237 00:11:27,610 --> 00:11:24,740 find he believes some who and so in 238 00:11:31,389 --> 00:11:27,620 Russia in the beginning of the 90s there 239 00:11:33,490 --> 00:11:31,399 was like a surge of New Age stuff so 240 00:11:36,340 --> 00:11:33,500 things that happened in united states 241 00:11:40,389 --> 00:11:36,350 like in 70s with Uri Geller and all that 242 00:11:42,639 --> 00:11:40,399 stuff in Russia came over only by the 243 00:11:46,449 --> 00:11:42,649 end of 80s in the beginning of 90s and 244 00:11:50,230 --> 00:11:46,459 so many many new age healers and people 245 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:50,240 of that sort they began to have TV time 246 00:11:58,870 --> 00:11:54,370 like they appeared in the medium and 247 00:12:04,030 --> 00:11:58,880 today that sort of new wave that wave 248 00:12:06,429 --> 00:12:04,040 has ceased but that's I think the 249 00:12:09,309 --> 00:12:06,439 difficulty of this is that it didn't go 250 00:12:13,150 --> 00:12:09,319 away it went on to the Internet it went 251 00:12:17,710 --> 00:12:13,160 on basically from huge TV shows to small 252 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:17,720 TV shows and so we probably don't have a 253 00:12:25,150 --> 00:12:21,610 big New Age name right now or a big 254 00:12:27,910 --> 00:12:25,160 psychic but we have many many many small 255 00:12:31,179 --> 00:12:27,920 ones and we have known psychics in the 256 00:12:34,269 --> 00:12:31,189 past also like right now be among the 257 00:12:36,579 --> 00:12:34,279 small ones and those of them who are 258 00:12:38,170 --> 00:12:36,589 very popular they still continue to be 259 00:12:41,079 --> 00:12:38,180 popular and they still continue to 260 00:12:44,350 --> 00:12:41,089 gather huge audiences for their meetings 261 00:12:46,929 --> 00:12:44,360 and talks but they're just not as seen 262 00:12:51,249 --> 00:12:46,939 as we have seen that before just to give 263 00:12:55,540 --> 00:12:51,259 you an example for example today a band 264 00:12:58,990 --> 00:12:55,550 of Beatles level is hardly possible but 265 00:13:01,929 --> 00:12:59,000 not because we can't produce good music 266 00:13:05,260 --> 00:13:01,939 but because the taste and the technology 267 00:13:07,210 --> 00:13:05,270 allows people to listen to so many stuff 268 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:07,220 it's almost inconceivable that we can 269 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:09,770 have just one band and so the same has 270 00:13:14,260 --> 00:13:12,410 happened with you aah healers so many of 271 00:13:16,630 --> 00:13:14,270 them that it's right now pretty 272 00:13:19,180 --> 00:13:16,640 unthinkable that just one of them will 273 00:13:21,970 --> 00:13:19,190 pop out yeah that that's interesting I 274 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:21,980 mean again my only frame of reference 275 00:13:26,110 --> 00:13:24,290 really is is watching that documentary 276 00:13:30,250 --> 00:13:26,120 and if listeners want to see that it is 277 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:30,260 on online on YouTube just run a google 278 00:13:35,590 --> 00:13:32,570 search for secrets of the psychics or I 279 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:35,600 think even James Randi and Russia should 280 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:37,610 to do it for you and you can have a look 281 00:13:42,910 --> 00:13:40,490 at that but it does I do find it 282 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:42,920 interesting who are the names anyway in 283 00:13:48,250 --> 00:13:44,930 Russia at the moment whoo-hoo the 284 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:48,260 average Russian may have heard of well 285 00:13:52,990 --> 00:13:50,690 one of the guys who has been around a 286 00:13:56,050 --> 00:13:53,000 lot in the 90s and who's still around a 287 00:13:58,810 --> 00:13:56,060 little bit is coach Borowski so he was 288 00:14:01,030 --> 00:13:58,820 the guy who like would put music on and 289 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:01,040 he would speak things and he would sort 290 00:14:07,150 --> 00:14:04,370 of hypnotize you and he would say that 291 00:14:10,510 --> 00:14:07,160 you heal and that just from listening to 292 00:14:13,540 --> 00:14:10,520 his like broadcasts or if you come over 293 00:14:16,180 --> 00:14:13,550 and participate in broadcast that that 294 00:14:18,670 --> 00:14:16,190 would heal you and I remember our family 295 00:14:20,620 --> 00:14:18,680 actually going to one of those and I 296 00:14:23,230 --> 00:14:20,630 remember just falling asleep I was a kid 297 00:14:25,780 --> 00:14:23,240 that ran I don't remember being healed 298 00:14:29,470 --> 00:14:25,790 from anything nor I remember being ill 299 00:14:31,990 --> 00:14:29,480 from anything but you know and they're 300 00:14:35,020 --> 00:14:32,000 on their way maybe he healed you the 301 00:14:37,270 --> 00:14:35,030 insomnia yeah exactly exactly that you 302 00:14:39,010 --> 00:14:37,280 you could put it that way or he could 303 00:14:42,010 --> 00:14:39,020 have healed me from an illness 304 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:42,020 previously not known to mankind and not 305 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:44,690 going to me at the moment so you can in 306 00:14:50,830 --> 00:14:47,570 that people never tell the other great 307 00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:50,840 guy who's still around and who who still 308 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:52,880 does a lot of very funny things is a 309 00:15:02,710 --> 00:14:57,770 launch amok and he is I think he is one 310 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:02,720 of the how to put it unique people he 311 00:15:09,130 --> 00:15:06,650 was actually able to fill his uh he 312 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:09,140 could fill his broadcast with just 313 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:12,110 silence so his idea was that i will now 314 00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:14,210 heal you all you have to do is just sit 315 00:15:18,650 --> 00:15:17,360 before the TV screen and i will just 316 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:18,660 start moving 317 00:15:23,650 --> 00:15:20,850 hands around just don't look at me just 318 00:15:25,970 --> 00:15:23,660 see what's going on with your body and 319 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:25,980 so I think that that's a great 320 00:15:31,009 --> 00:15:28,769 psychological device to sort of allow 321 00:15:34,699 --> 00:15:31,019 people to make up things for themselves 322 00:15:37,189 --> 00:15:34,709 and then for like about seven eight ten 323 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:37,199 minutes you would sit there in total 324 00:15:43,660 --> 00:15:40,050 silence and just make passes with his 325 00:15:46,999 --> 00:15:43,670 hands as if he's doing something and 326 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:47,009 watching those videos right now I'm like 327 00:15:52,460 --> 00:15:50,160 fascinated I mean that's so artistically 328 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:52,470 well put that's like so it wonderfully 329 00:15:58,490 --> 00:15:56,250 done and that actually works I mean I 330 00:16:01,369 --> 00:15:58,500 understand how that could work and 331 00:16:03,410 --> 00:16:01,379 people today people who are otherwise 332 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:03,420 very intelligent people will tell me 333 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:05,370 that well you know I have statistics 334 00:16:12,050 --> 00:16:08,370 that show that during his broadcasts 335 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:12,060 there was very little emergency calls to 336 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:15,810 doctors however the doctors themselves 337 00:16:22,249 --> 00:16:18,810 say yes sure this is a real statistic 338 00:16:25,610 --> 00:16:22,259 but about an hour after his broadcasts 339 00:16:28,129 --> 00:16:25,620 the emergency calls would just be it's 340 00:16:29,870 --> 00:16:28,139 interesting and you make a very 341 00:16:31,819 --> 00:16:29,880 interesting point there about people 342 00:16:33,139 --> 00:16:31,829 sort of being people more or less the 343 00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:33,149 same all around the world where 344 00:16:39,559 --> 00:16:36,720 seemingly intelligent people some of 345 00:16:41,059 --> 00:16:39,569 them can can really believe in this no 346 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:41,069 matter what it is if it's some guys 347 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:43,050 sitting on the TV waving his hands or 348 00:16:47,179 --> 00:16:44,970 broadcasting silence no matter what it 349 00:16:51,350 --> 00:16:47,189 is I guess we're not all that different 350 00:16:54,530 --> 00:16:51,360 after all sherlyn bear regard that's 351 00:16:58,309 --> 00:16:54,540 that's for sure I mean the brain is the 352 00:17:01,280 --> 00:16:58,319 brain yeah it's in no matter where you 353 00:17:02,809 --> 00:17:01,290 are in the world now I've had just 354 00:17:04,699 --> 00:17:02,819 having a look at your website at the 355 00:17:07,730 --> 00:17:04,709 moment and if folks want to have a visit 356 00:17:10,309 --> 00:17:07,740 them the URLs very easy just type in 357 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:10,319 just type in skeptics society dot are 358 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:12,809 you it's in Russian but you click the 359 00:17:17,329 --> 00:17:14,970 English button and suddenly it pops up 360 00:17:21,890 --> 00:17:17,339 in English and I noticed that you've got 361 00:17:25,370 --> 00:17:21,900 a podcast that's right we're doing that 362 00:17:27,470 --> 00:17:25,380 podcast like almost for a year but it's 363 00:17:31,220 --> 00:17:27,480 like about nine month it's a weekly 364 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:31,230 podcast called skeptic and it's uh it's 365 00:17:36,260 --> 00:17:32,610 about skepticism 366 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:36,270 ions and just for for anybody who really 367 00:17:40,340 --> 00:17:37,650 wants to listen to that kind of stuff 368 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:40,350 bring any russian-speaking skeptic and 369 00:17:46,250 --> 00:17:43,049 so far so as far as we know it's the 370 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:46,260 only regular podcast dedicated to 371 00:17:53,660 --> 00:17:50,250 skepticism in Russia so or should I say 372 00:17:55,610 --> 00:17:53,670 the russian-speaking world that's i'm 373 00:17:58,940 --> 00:17:55,620 d'lai I'm delighted to learn about that 374 00:18:00,350 --> 00:17:58,950 because I love to promote other podcasts 375 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:00,360 and other groups from around the world 376 00:18:06,500 --> 00:18:04,260 I've running promotions for podcasts 377 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:06,510 from Ireland from Norway from France 378 00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:08,610 other places around the world the United 379 00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:11,100 States of course Canada now I can add 380 00:18:16,460 --> 00:18:12,840 Russia to the list I'm quite pleased 381 00:18:19,070 --> 00:18:16,470 about that yeah actually we also love to 382 00:18:20,090 --> 00:18:19,080 promote podcasts and Russia like hey 383 00:18:23,030 --> 00:18:20,100 guys we don't want to be the only 384 00:18:25,159 --> 00:18:23,040 podcast we want to live in a world where 385 00:18:27,890 --> 00:18:25,169 there are thousands of podcasts 386 00:18:30,020 --> 00:18:27,900 dedicated to skepticism but you know 387 00:18:34,159 --> 00:18:30,030 it's it's also of course very good to be 388 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:34,169 the first ones so it's yeah and also the 389 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:36,809 podcast is a very very good device to 390 00:18:41,900 --> 00:18:39,450 build a community because imagine a 391 00:18:46,159 --> 00:18:41,910 person who became a skeptic recently and 392 00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:46,169 he is he really is surrounded by people 393 00:18:51,950 --> 00:18:49,200 who are not interested or maybe who 394 00:18:55,220 --> 00:18:51,960 believe a lot of superstition a lot of 395 00:18:58,340 --> 00:18:55,230 supernatural things and so he's able to 396 00:19:00,890 --> 00:18:58,350 put that podcast on and like hear people 397 00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,900 who think the same way he does and I 398 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:02,160 think that there are really unites 399 00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:05,850 people so apart guest was a project that 400 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:08,400 I do we had to do very early on and so 401 00:19:14,060 --> 00:19:10,530 we're doing that and we're enjoying that 402 00:19:17,780 --> 00:19:14,070 and as being a host of a podcast allows 403 00:19:19,940 --> 00:19:17,790 you to learn a lot of thing thanks oh it 404 00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:19,950 certainly does I can vouch for that I'm 405 00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:22,080 also interested to see on your website 406 00:19:29,419 --> 00:19:24,390 you have a collection of videos as well 407 00:19:32,020 --> 00:19:29,429 oh yeah though actually when I started 408 00:19:36,860 --> 00:19:32,030 making that weapon so I like a month ago 409 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:36,870 and so it's a very new stuff right we 410 00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:38,370 decided just as I told earlier we 411 00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:40,320 decided to move away from social 412 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:42,960 networks and sort of build a website 413 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:44,730 which is like more static HTML and 414 00:19:48,980 --> 00:19:46,410 something that people would wind through 415 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:48,990 googoo so I think that that information 416 00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:51,930 should stay on a static website rather 417 00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:53,700 than you know like the newsfeed of 418 00:19:59,630 --> 00:19:57,120 social network and so once having done 419 00:20:02,030 --> 00:19:59,640 the website I was amazed that we are 420 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:02,040 actually during this year we produced a 421 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:04,410 lot of things and videos are one of them 422 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:06,570 we started doing videos like in autumn 423 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:09,090 and you know that's like very new things 424 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:12,450 like a young society which began to 425 00:20:17,150 --> 00:20:14,850 produce videos and we're like very happy 426 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:17,160 about it making those first steps but 427 00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:19,170 yeah so we're doing we've made some 428 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:22,110 short videos short clips you know like 429 00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:24,810 similar to big thing just speaking about 430 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:30,720 things and also we began to do a little 431 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:33,090 bit like the same thing as a podcast but 432 00:20:39,380 --> 00:20:36,510 in video format it's not a regular 433 00:20:40,730 --> 00:20:39,390 though because as you probably a podcast 434 00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:40,740 or yourself you know that if you're 435 00:20:46,460 --> 00:20:42,960 producing something regularly it has to 436 00:20:50,180 --> 00:20:46,470 be easy enough to be feasible for a long 437 00:20:53,330 --> 00:20:50,190 time and so doing an audio podcast 438 00:20:55,490 --> 00:20:53,340 weekly is challenge enough so we thought 439 00:20:58,520 --> 00:20:55,500 that if we were ever to make video 440 00:21:01,040 --> 00:20:58,530 podcast weekly we would first of all 441 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:01,050 have to give up the audio podcast and we 442 00:21:07,220 --> 00:21:04,170 would also have to have some staff that 443 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:07,230 would help us out because right now I'm 444 00:21:10,910 --> 00:21:08,970 the only one producing doing the 445 00:21:14,210 --> 00:21:10,920 production work and that's kind of tough 446 00:21:19,940 --> 00:21:14,220 I think you sound like the Russian 447 00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,950 Richard Saunders to me oh yeah I I know 448 00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:21,840 what you're saying because I used this 449 00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:23,460 show before it became an audio podcast 450 00:21:29,150 --> 00:21:26,070 was actually a video show and that was 451 00:21:30,410 --> 00:21:29,160 um that took up so much time but I in 452 00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,420 the six years I've been doing this show 453 00:21:34,190 --> 00:21:32,640 I think audio is better because people 454 00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,200 can listen to it in their cars and on 455 00:21:38,150 --> 00:21:36,240 the train or jogging or walking the dog 456 00:21:40,820 --> 00:21:38,160 or cleaning their bathroom or or 457 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:40,830 whatever they're doing so I like the 458 00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,690 podcast format but I'm delighted to see 459 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:44,640 all the things on your website the video 460 00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:46,530 collection is quite interesting you've 461 00:21:50,570 --> 00:21:48,360 got lectures and debates and short clips 462 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:50,580 and things like that and do you actually 463 00:21:54,980 --> 00:21:52,410 get together with your fellow skeptics 464 00:21:56,570 --> 00:21:54,990 in Russia yeah sure I mean that's I 465 00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:56,580 think that's the trademark of the 466 00:21:59,840 --> 00:21:59,010 beginning of skeptical movement is that 467 00:22:02,000 --> 00:21:59,850 we have 468 00:22:05,299 --> 00:22:02,010 bi-weekly meetings and that's how the 469 00:22:07,820 --> 00:22:05,309 skeptics society has was started and 470 00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:07,830 those meetings are held in moscow 471 00:22:12,289 --> 00:22:10,260 currently we're also trying to organize 472 00:22:13,820 --> 00:22:12,299 meetings in other cities and get to 473 00:22:16,580 --> 00:22:13,830 other cities trying to do that as well 474 00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:16,590 right now so yeah bi-weekly meetings i 475 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:19,200 mean i like about 30 sometimes in 40 476 00:22:26,419 --> 00:22:22,770 people coming over listen I'm delighted 477 00:22:30,049 --> 00:22:26,429 to to discover your organization and 478 00:22:32,180 --> 00:22:30,059 your podcast I hope that you get lots 479 00:22:33,860 --> 00:22:32,190 more people interested now all around 480 00:22:36,350 --> 00:22:33,870 the world the russian-speaking people 481 00:22:39,049 --> 00:22:36,360 who might hear about it by the skeptic 482 00:22:41,539 --> 00:22:39,059 zone and all I can do is wish you every 483 00:22:43,460 --> 00:22:41,549 success and we'll catch up and the 484 00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:43,470 not-too-distant future to see how things 485 00:23:06,370 --> 00:22:46,200 are going great great thanks a lot for 486 00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:13,940 rust three Lucy I mean as a video fear 487 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:15,510 of the Islamic law be so skeptical 488 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:17,490 Mousavi almost on our show stage Kat 489 00:23:20,990 --> 00:23:19,290 Robichaud carded we need ye lumis clear 490 00:23:22,669 --> 00:23:21,000 it algebra crush on pollution our 491 00:23:24,890 --> 00:23:22,679 podcast Petrova hooded garden Indian 492 00:23:26,450 --> 00:23:24,900 what customs White's escaped aside a 493 00:23:29,180 --> 00:23:26,460 cutter bomber still not inertia dayton 494 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:29,190 st attack wave over skeptics society 495 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:33,450 coach guru everybody my name is Carol 496 00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,130 and i'm the founder of skeptics society 497 00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:37,200 russia come visit us in moscow and our 498 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:39,270 bi-weekly meetings and also listen to 499 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:40,650 our weekly podcast which is folks 500 00:23:54,940 --> 00:23:42,510 captive and the site where you can find 501 00:23:59,620 --> 00:23:57,340 welcome to a week in science from our 502 00:24:02,110 --> 00:23:59,630 iOS bringing you the science you need to 503 00:24:04,510 --> 00:24:02,120 know diet seemed to fall in and out of 504 00:24:08,409 --> 00:24:04,520 fashion on a regular basis making it 505 00:24:12,669 --> 00:24:10,509 first let's look at the intermittent 506 00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:12,679 fasting principle which inspired the 507 00:24:17,619 --> 00:24:15,590 popular 52 diet basically you eat 508 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:17,629 normally for five days of the week and 509 00:24:22,810 --> 00:24:20,570 eat just 500 to 600 calories on the 510 00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:22,820 other two days that's equal to just 511 00:24:27,310 --> 00:24:24,769 porridge with fruit for breakfast and 512 00:24:29,349 --> 00:24:27,320 vegetable soup for dinner studies using 513 00:24:31,889 --> 00:24:29,359 rodents have shown that a restricted 514 00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:31,899 calorie diet can help increase lifespan 515 00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:34,609 protect against cognitive decline like 516 00:24:39,879 --> 00:24:36,919 dementia and possibly protect against 517 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:39,889 diabetes but these results haven't been 518 00:24:46,450 --> 00:24:43,970 shown in humans in fact a 2011 UK study 519 00:24:48,580 --> 00:24:46,460 found that intermittent fasting showed 520 00:24:51,489 --> 00:24:48,590 no greater weight loss or health benefit 521 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:51,499 than a normal low-calorie diet fasting 522 00:24:56,139 --> 00:24:53,690 also tends to make people over eat on 523 00:24:58,450 --> 00:24:56,149 normal days and can lead to side effects 524 00:25:03,220 --> 00:24:58,460 such as dehydration extreme tiredness 525 00:25:05,379 --> 00:25:03,230 and anxiety next let's talk about the 526 00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:05,389 popular juice cleanse diet which was the 527 00:25:10,539 --> 00:25:08,720 second most googled in 2013 the idea is 528 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:10,549 that you just drink fruit and vegetable 529 00:25:15,369 --> 00:25:13,129 juices for up to a week aiming to detox 530 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:15,379 your body and kickstart weight loss it 531 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:17,450 works out to about a thousand calories a 532 00:25:22,090 --> 00:25:19,970 day making it another starvation diet 533 00:25:24,999 --> 00:25:22,100 which accredited dieticians think are a 534 00:25:27,099 --> 00:25:25,009 terrible idea juice diets also claimed 535 00:25:29,769 --> 00:25:27,109 that liquefying your food helps you to 536 00:25:32,379 --> 00:25:29,779 absorb nutrients more easily giving your 537 00:25:34,629 --> 00:25:32,389 guts of rest there is absolutely no 538 00:25:37,239 --> 00:25:34,639 scientific evidence to back these claims 539 00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:37,249 in fact juicing eliminates valuable 540 00:25:41,289 --> 00:25:39,200 antioxidants from the fruit skin and 541 00:25:44,590 --> 00:25:41,299 removes fiber which is essential for 542 00:25:46,980 --> 00:25:44,600 good digestion and now for diet detox 543 00:25:51,610 --> 00:25:49,510 Australians are expected to spend six 544 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:51,620 point six billion dollars on the weight 545 00:25:57,670 --> 00:25:55,130 loss industry in the 2013-2014 financial 546 00:26:00,220 --> 00:25:57,680 year there is no evidence that detox 547 00:26:02,590 --> 00:26:00,230 diets do anything our liver skin 548 00:26:04,990 --> 00:26:02,600 intestines and kidneys already filter 549 00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:05,000 waste products effectively making it a 550 00:26:09,970 --> 00:26:08,120 bit of a sham a 2007 study found that 551 00:26:11,950 --> 00:26:09,980 nearly thirty percent of food ads 552 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:11,960 carried health claims that weren't 553 00:26:17,260 --> 00:26:14,290 allowed under current food standards and 554 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:17,270 beware almost anyone can claim they are 555 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:19,850 a dietician or nutritionist in Australia 556 00:26:24,730 --> 00:26:22,370 as they're not legally protected titles 557 00:26:26,890 --> 00:26:24,740 if you want a university qualified 558 00:26:31,090 --> 00:26:26,900 professional look for an accredited 559 00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,100 practising dietitian that's it for this 560 00:26:35,770 --> 00:26:33,440 week in science for more information on 561 00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:35,780 diets and detox go to the our oils 562 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:40,340 website RI aus org do you follow us on 563 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:43,130 Twitter and like us on Facebook I'm cure 564 00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:53,540 you've argued against the same woo so 565 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:55,040 many times you can do it in your sleep 566 00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:57,570 we're trying to stop the nonsense one 567 00:27:02,450 --> 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Rachel 581 00:27:50,660 --> 00:27:48,540 reports with recent talk about how the 582 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:50,670 anti-vaccine crowd have affected rates 583 00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:52,530 of vaccination in the UK and the states 584 00:27:56,810 --> 00:27:54,809 I thought it might be interesting to 585 00:28:00,169 --> 00:27:56,820 look closer to home to see how Australia 586 00:28:01,910 --> 00:28:00,179 stacks up this week Medicare which is 587 00:28:04,130 --> 00:28:01,920 Australia's government-run health body 588 00:28:06,860 --> 00:28:04,140 released figures from the Australian 589 00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:06,870 childhood immunization register which 590 00:28:12,350 --> 00:28:08,940 details the rate of immunization in 591 00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:12,360 Australia the latest figures are from 592 00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:15,510 December 2008 and on the face of it it 593 00:28:20,690 --> 00:28:18,360 seems we are doing pretty well for kids 594 00:28:22,820 --> 00:28:20,700 aged up to 15 months the national 595 00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:22,830 average for immunization is ninety-one 596 00:28:29,299 --> 00:28:25,520 percent with the lowest levels being 597 00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,309 89.9 percent for Western Australia the 598 00:28:33,470 --> 00:28:31,200 national average falls to eighty eight 599 00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:33,480 point four percent in the up to five 600 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:35,400 years old group with the lowest 601 00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:37,170 compliance of eighty five point five 602 00:28:42,290 --> 00:28:40,620 percent in South Australia but when you 603 00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:42,300 consider that approximately ninety 604 00:28:47,060 --> 00:28:44,340 percent vaccination is needed to obtain 605 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:47,070 herd immunity however this depends on 606 00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:49,170 the vaccine and the disease these 607 00:28:54,140 --> 00:28:52,559 figures are encouraging their Rob 608 00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,150 Menzies from the National Center for 609 00:28:58,820 --> 00:28:56,240 immunization research and surveillance 610 00:28:59,779 --> 00:28:58,830 said that in some cases where there are 611 00:29:02,029 --> 00:28:59,789 low vaccination 612 00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:02,039 rates these are often more prevalent 613 00:29:06,109 --> 00:29:03,960 we're well educated parents did their 614 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:06,119 own research and believed the myths that 615 00:29:11,180 --> 00:29:08,570 vaccines did more harm than good and 616 00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:11,190 this was reflected in figures for 617 00:29:15,859 --> 00:29:13,769 Sydney's exclusive eastern suburbs which 618 00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:15,869 includes the Harborview well-to-do 619 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:19,710 suburbs of Double Bay and for clues now 620 00:29:22,940 --> 00:29:21,330 these will rank the worst with only 621 00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:22,950 eighty percent of children in these 622 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:25,710 areas being immunized and this was 623 00:29:30,109 --> 00:29:27,690 followed closely by the areas of lismore 624 00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:30,119 Alstonville and Byron Bay Witcher areas 625 00:29:35,659 --> 00:29:32,129 known for their alternative lifestyles 626 00:29:37,159 --> 00:29:35,669 so this is not a big surprise now since 627 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:37,169 these figures have been released there 628 00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:39,330 has been much discussion and speculation 629 00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,190 about why the wealthy suburbs are 630 00:29:46,669 --> 00:29:43,200 seemingly less likely to get their kids 631 00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:46,679 vaccinated one journalist described the 632 00:29:53,239 --> 00:29:49,799 parents as selfish dummy mummys needing 633 00:29:55,249 --> 00:29:53,249 their conscience pricked Adele Horan 634 00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:55,259 doesn't beat around the bush she 635 00:29:59,450 --> 00:29:56,580 reported in The Sydney Morning Herald 636 00:30:01,820 --> 00:29:59,460 that these are women who spent too many 637 00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:01,830 hours on wacky internet health sites and 638 00:30:07,609 --> 00:30:04,049 become convinced that immunization is a 639 00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:07,619 great conspiracy she further described 640 00:30:11,539 --> 00:30:10,409 these parents as the educated mother who 641 00:30:13,159 --> 00:30:11,549 thinks she knows better than the 642 00:30:16,219 --> 00:30:13,169 overwhelming majority of the world's 643 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:16,229 scientists and doctors and as you can 644 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:17,849 imagine she received some pretty nasty 645 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:21,330 letters the following day she also said 646 00:30:26,060 --> 00:30:24,210 this around the world resistance to 647 00:30:29,389 --> 00:30:26,070 vaccination is strongest amongst the 648 00:30:31,999 --> 00:30:29,399 affluent and educated these statements 649 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:32,009 are supported by arthur allen author of 650 00:30:36,919 --> 00:30:33,570 the book vaccine a history of 651 00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:36,929 immunization he observed that living in 652 00:30:41,499 --> 00:30:38,940 a place with a high percentage of PhDs 653 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:41,509 is a risk factor for whooping cough 654 00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:45,210 skating stuff indeed but in a case of 655 00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,340 backward logic the anti vectors have 656 00:30:52,669 --> 00:30:49,200 actually claimed this for themselves 657 00:30:54,919 --> 00:30:52,679 loudly proclaiming parents continue to 658 00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:54,929 be accused of being ignorant uncaring 659 00:30:59,119 --> 00:30:57,419 and stupid for refusing vaccines which 660 00:31:01,369 --> 00:30:59,129 the medical community claim will keep 661 00:31:04,219 --> 00:31:01,379 their children healthy when the truth is 662 00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:04,229 older highly educated parents form the 663 00:31:09,499 --> 00:31:08,070 basis of the anti immunization Lobby not 664 00:31:11,869 --> 00:31:09,509 something to be proud of I would have 665 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:11,879 thought however one wonders if these are 666 00:31:16,220 --> 00:31:13,650 the parents glued to morning television 667 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:16,230 where the likes of merrill diary from 668 00:31:20,270 --> 00:31:18,210 the Australian vaccination network can 669 00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:20,280 regularly be seen spouting her 670 00:31:25,580 --> 00:31:23,760 misinformed anti-vaccine on sense yes 671 00:31:28,180 --> 00:31:25,590 people we have our own version of jenny 672 00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:28,190 mccarthy in Australia we are not immune 673 00:31:33,410 --> 00:31:31,230 now the innocuous Lee titled Australian 674 00:31:35,660 --> 00:31:33,420 vaccination Network fronted by the 675 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:35,670 screeching Merrill dory go by the 676 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:38,370 catchphrase love them protects them 677 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:41,370 never inject them she is regularly given 678 00:31:45,530 --> 00:31:43,170 a platform on morning television shows 679 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:45,540 in Australia such as mornings with 680 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:48,330 kerri-anne Kennerley in defense of 681 00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:50,010 kerri-anne Kennerley they usually have a 682 00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:52,140 representative from the sensible side in 683 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:55,380 this case dr. penny Adams however just 684 00:32:00,050 --> 00:31:57,810 like the overseas breeds Meryl is not 685 00:32:03,290 --> 00:32:00,060 shy about exposing her ignorance to a 686 00:32:05,270 --> 00:32:03,300 national audience well what's wrong with 687 00:32:06,650 --> 00:32:05,280 vaccinator well I don't think there's 688 00:32:08,510 --> 00:32:06,660 anything wrong with the idea of 689 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:08,520 vaccinations but unfortunately there 690 00:32:12,170 --> 00:32:10,170 isn't a whole lot of science to back it 691 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:12,180 up dr. penny said that if we get enough 692 00:32:17,150 --> 00:32:14,130 people vaccinated will see the disease's 693 00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:17,160 wiped out I'm Canadian and I don't want 694 00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:18,840 to seem to interrupt but you say not 695 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:20,520 enough science to back it up I'm a 696 00:32:25,220 --> 00:32:22,650 layperson I don't know this information 697 00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:25,230 says we've been polio-free since 2000 698 00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,470 that to me says there's a bit of science 699 00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:31,200 that polio vaccinations were need i say 700 00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:33,960 more however as a further demonstration 701 00:32:38,180 --> 00:32:36,510 of how little the australian vaccination 702 00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:38,190 network understand about science and 703 00:32:43,550 --> 00:32:40,440 medicine i will use an article written 704 00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:43,560 by them known as 10 reasons why not to 705 00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:47,700 vaccinate reason one vaccines have never 706 00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:51,000 been tested this statement encompasses 707 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:52,950 the full gamut of how little the 708 00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,690 Australian vaccination Network know 709 00:32:59,390 --> 00:32:56,640 about how the drug development process 710 00:33:01,670 --> 00:32:59,400 works I won't bore you with the details 711 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:01,680 of this today but I will tell you it 712 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:03,570 takes millions of dollars around ten 713 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:05,250 years and at least four phases of 714 00:33:10,670 --> 00:33:07,890 testing which continues even after the 715 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:10,680 drug is released evidence that this 716 00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:12,930 process works can be found in the case 717 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:15,600 of a vaccine for the rotavirus called 718 00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:18,330 rotor shield which was released in the 719 00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:23,760 u.s. in 1998 in pre-licensure trials the 720 00:33:27,379 --> 00:33:26,280 vaccine appeared to be safe but in post 721 00:33:29,659 --> 00:33:27,389 licensure survey 722 00:33:32,959 --> 00:33:29,669 it was associated with an increased risk 723 00:33:34,639 --> 00:33:32,969 of intussusception which is a rare form 724 00:33:37,399 --> 00:33:34,649 of bowel obstruction occurring in 725 00:33:39,499 --> 00:33:37,409 infants as soon as this problem was 726 00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:39,509 discovered the vaccine was withdrawn 727 00:33:46,819 --> 00:33:41,849 from the market and rotor shield was 728 00:33:49,789 --> 00:33:46,829 never released in australia number two 729 00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:49,799 vaccines contain toxic additives and 730 00:33:55,549 --> 00:33:53,609 heavy metals well here the avn are of 731 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:55,559 course scare mongering with Phi marisol 732 00:33:59,329 --> 00:33:57,690 which is the mercury based preservative 733 00:34:02,569 --> 00:33:59,339 that has been used in very small amounts 734 00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:02,579 in some vaccines since the 1930s to 735 00:34:07,369 --> 00:34:04,169 prevent bacterial and fungal 736 00:34:09,529 --> 00:34:07,379 contamination but there is no evidence 737 00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:09,539 that thimerosal has caused any health 738 00:34:15,619 --> 00:34:12,599 problems except perhaps minor reactions 739 00:34:17,869 --> 00:34:15,629 such as redness at the injection site in 740 00:34:20,029 --> 00:34:17,879 any case thimerosal was removed from 741 00:34:23,419 --> 00:34:20,039 childhood vaccines as a precaution in 742 00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:23,429 2000 and some vaccines such as 743 00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:26,460 pneumococcal vaccines the MMR and other 744 00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:28,710 live attenuated viral vaccines never 745 00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:31,919 contained thimerosal whilst there are 746 00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,200 certain vaccines for adults in Australia 747 00:34:39,470 --> 00:34:36,720 that still contain thimerosal the levels 748 00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:39,480 are extremely low much lower than the 749 00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:41,849 level of exposure we obtained to mercury 750 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:45,659 in our daily lives I don't have the time 751 00:34:49,609 --> 00:34:47,609 or energy to discuss all the claims made 752 00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:49,619 by the Australian vaccination network in 753 00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:52,200 this article except to say that they are 754 00:34:56,589 --> 00:34:54,569 full of accusations and conspiracies we 755 00:34:59,359 --> 00:34:56,599 have come to expect from these people 756 00:35:01,220 --> 00:34:59,369 these include such gems as the 757 00:35:02,839 --> 00:35:01,230 pharmaceutical companies have paid for 758 00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:02,849 all the vaccine studies to date 759 00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:05,400 therefore they are flawed and then 760 00:35:10,460 --> 00:35:08,430 there's this extraordinary claim some 761 00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:10,470 childhood illnesses have beneficial 762 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:13,529 aspects and therefore prevention may not 763 00:35:19,009 --> 00:35:15,690 necessarily be in the interests of the 764 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:19,019 child you really think so Merrill dory 765 00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:21,630 well why don't we use one example of a 766 00:35:26,539 --> 00:35:24,240 childhood illness whooping cough which 767 00:35:27,769 --> 00:35:26,549 can be vaccinated for and look at 768 00:35:30,859 --> 00:35:27,779 whether it's in the interest of the 769 00:35:32,509 --> 00:35:30,869 child to contract it I choose whipping 770 00:35:35,779 --> 00:35:32,519 cough since Australia is currently 771 00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:35,789 experiencing an epidemic now according 772 00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:39,180 to some reports more than 8,300 cases 773 00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:41,310 were reported in New South Wales last 774 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:45,060 year in October 2008 40 cases were 775 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:47,490 reported from the same school and the 776 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:49,050 Health Service said that most of these 777 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:51,210 cases were in children who had not been 778 00:35:57,340 --> 00:35:54,570 immunized whooping cough is caused by 779 00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,350 the bacterium bordetella pertussis 780 00:36:02,960 --> 00:35:59,760 babies are vaccinated against whooping 781 00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:02,970 cough at two months then boosted at four 782 00:36:07,940 --> 00:36:05,390 months six months and four years a 783 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:07,950 booster dose is also recommended for 784 00:36:11,570 --> 00:36:09,930 adolescents and certain adults such as 785 00:36:14,260 --> 00:36:11,580 healthcare workers and those who work 786 00:36:16,610 --> 00:36:14,270 with young babies and young children 787 00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:16,620 whooping cough is particularly serious 788 00:36:22,610 --> 00:36:19,440 where one in every 200 babies who can 789 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:22,620 track the infection will die some can 790 00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:24,510 even crack their ribs through violent 791 00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:27,750 coughing attacks a recent report about 792 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:29,820 the epidemic cited the story of a 793 00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:32,610 14-week old girl who has had whooping 794 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:35,910 cough since he was two weeks old the 795 00:36:40,070 --> 00:36:37,890 terrified mother said she had turned 796 00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:40,080 blue several times during coughing fits 797 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:43,980 as she gasped for air whooping cough is 798 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:45,690 not a disease you want to mess with it 799 00:36:50,660 --> 00:36:48,570 causes considerable morbidity the 800 00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,670 disease is particularly serious in small 801 00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:52,320 children as it can cause them to stop 802 00:36:57,350 --> 00:36:54,900 breathing the whoop which is not always 803 00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:57,360 obvious is due to a deep breath at the 804 00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:58,850 end of a bout of coughing and vomiting 805 00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:02,160 after coughing is common severe 806 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:04,200 complications which occur almost 807 00:37:09,830 --> 00:37:06,210 exclusively and unvaccinated people 808 00:37:11,780 --> 00:37:09,840 include seizures and pneumonia in babies 809 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:11,790 under six months of age the symptoms can 810 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:13,530 be severe or life-threatening and 811 00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:17,370 include hemorrhage apnea which is when 812 00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:19,020 you stop breathing for short or long 813 00:37:24,820 --> 00:37:22,110 periods of time pneumonia inflammation 814 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:24,830 of the brain convulsions and coma 815 00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,250 permanent brain damage and death 816 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:30,240 according to health officials in New 817 00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,490 South Wales the recent epidemic of 818 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:34,320 whooping cough is likely a result of a 819 00:37:39,110 --> 00:37:37,410 reduction in vaccination the north coast 820 00:37:42,350 --> 00:37:39,120 Area Health Service Director of Public 821 00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:42,360 Health Paul corbin said communities with 822 00:37:46,610 --> 00:37:44,460 low vaccination rates have had more than 823 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:46,620 eight times the rate of disease seen in 824 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:48,810 those areas with the highest vaccination 825 00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:51,570 rates well according to the Australian 826 00:37:55,130 --> 00:37:53,550 vaccination Network you don't need to 827 00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:55,140 vaccinate against whooping 828 00:38:01,010 --> 00:37:57,240 sometimes it's better for kids to just 829 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:01,020 catch it and although this organization 830 00:38:05,390 --> 00:38:03,210 is relatively small they do have a lot 831 00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:05,400 of influence and are also well organized 832 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:08,580 and very active Australian listeners may 833 00:38:12,980 --> 00:38:10,530 remember the case of parents who fled 834 00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:12,990 hospital and the authorities with their 835 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:16,140 newborn boy in August 2008 to avoid 836 00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:17,610 having to have him vaccinated for 837 00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:21,000 hepatitis B the sad thing was the mother 838 00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:23,310 was hepatitis B positive herself and 839 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:25,740 although it is not compulsory to be 840 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:28,050 vaccinated in Australia it is health 841 00:38:33,140 --> 00:38:30,450 department policy that children born of 842 00:38:35,420 --> 00:38:33,150 hepatitis B positive mothers are offered 843 00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:35,430 immunoglobulin for the child within 12 844 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:37,740 hours of birth and four doses of the 845 00:38:43,820 --> 00:38:41,490 vaccine over six months in a tragic tale 846 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:43,830 of ignorance the mother told reporters 847 00:38:48,140 --> 00:38:45,690 that the couple believed aluminium in 848 00:38:50,330 --> 00:38:48,150 the vaccine could cause him more damage 849 00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:50,340 than the child contracting hepatitis B 850 00:38:56,090 --> 00:38:53,520 and of course the father is a member of 851 00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:56,100 the Australian vaccination network by 852 00:39:02,120 --> 00:38:57,720 which the couple are now touted as 853 00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:02,130 heroes Australia also has the usual 854 00:39:06,830 --> 00:39:04,500 suspects such as the chiropractors who 855 00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,840 don't proclaim it from the rooftops but 856 00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:08,640 upon questioning will tell you not to 857 00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:11,910 vaccinate they will also follow the MMR 858 00:39:15,740 --> 00:39:14,040 autism line and I had one tell me this 859 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:15,750 at a recent mother's babies and 860 00:39:21,380 --> 00:39:19,200 pregnancy Expo and of course we can't 861 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:21,390 forget the despicable homeopaths who 862 00:39:24,650 --> 00:39:23,130 will also tell you on the sly that you 863 00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:24,660 can use homeopathy to vaccinate your 864 00:39:30,620 --> 00:39:27,420 kids I won't discuss this further today 865 00:39:34,270 --> 00:39:30,630 because a it makes me too angry and B it 866 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:34,280 requires its own show entirely 867 00:39:39,130 --> 00:39:36,530 for more information about the myths and 868 00:39:41,470 --> 00:39:39,140 realities of vaccination the australian 869 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:41,480 government publishes a brochure called 870 00:39:45,970 --> 00:39:43,930 vaccination myths and realities 871 00:39:48,490 --> 00:39:45,980 responding to arguments against 872 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:48,500 immunization this is a thoroughly 873 00:39:52,510 --> 00:39:50,570 researched and easy-to-read resource 874 00:39:56,380 --> 00:39:52,520 which addresses fact and fiction about 875 00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:56,390 immunization it's also useful even if 876 00:39:59,680 --> 00:39:57,680 you are not in Australia and 877 00:40:01,150 --> 00:39:59,690 particularly good for passing the way of 878 00:40:02,860 --> 00:40:01,160 anyone you know who might have some 879 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:02,870 dodgy ideas about the merits of 880 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:06,650 vaccination for further reading and the 881 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:08,450 references for this story head to my 882 00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,490 blog which is linked from skeptic zone 883 00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,280 TV and thank you to everyone who has 884 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:15,200 been emailing me and leaving comments on 885 00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:17,450 the blog also don't forget I have 886 00:40:23,410 --> 00:40:20,320 another blog at skeptics book calm and 887 00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:23,420 until next time this has been dr. Rachel 888 00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:45,090 hi I'm audit oh yeah crystal or evil 889 00:40:48,450 --> 00:40:46,750 tips advice on logic lifted off the 890 00:40:50,130 --> 00:40:48,460 skeptics ohm ohm skip the comedian or 891 00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:50,140 again but it's not a blog get upper 892 00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,910 bleph a podcast over and against capsis 893 00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:53,440 river- liquefied method after his match 894 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:55,480 since ralph i skipped assist off and 895 00:40:59,460 --> 00:40:57,490 loop or higher versus the deep plane 896 00:41:01,170 --> 00:40:59,470 origin and calendar or escape disc after 897 00:41:02,970 --> 00:41:01,180 death or like you chill on will escape 898 00:41:04,350 --> 00:41:02,980 this go search it skips is Logan of 899 00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:04,360 authority Emily oh the disc ateres 900 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:05,950 hextep escapes is for domestic hina 901 00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:09,610 edita yourself skips a stop mmm hello 902 00:41:13,770 --> 00:41:12,310 I'm what it and I'm Christine and we 903 00:41:15,570 --> 00:41:13,780 want to let you know that there are lots 904 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:15,580 of Norwegian skeptics for you to get to 905 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:17,530 know there are blogs and permits and a 906 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:19,450 podcast and the Norwegian skeptics also 907 00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:20,890 do paranormal tests and consumer 908 00:41:25,050 --> 00:41:22,870 activism to find out more Google 909 00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:25,060 Norwegian skeptics or visit skep 910 00:41:50,130 --> 00:41:47,630 joining me now on the line from 911 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:50,140 Sacramento and that says place I haven't 912 00:41:53,849 --> 00:41:51,730 been to yet I hope to get there one day 913 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:53,859 it sounds like an interesting place it's 914 00:42:00,180 --> 00:41:56,410 the president of the Sacramento skeptics 915 00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:00,190 Frank moja hello Frank hello Richard 916 00:42:04,289 --> 00:42:02,529 it's a pleasure to be on that skeptics 917 00:42:07,410 --> 00:42:04,299 on I'll thank you very much it's great 918 00:42:08,910 --> 00:42:07,420 to catch up with you I I can't remember 919 00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:08,920 if we've met over the years and one of 920 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:11,920 these many skeptical conventions and 921 00:42:17,849 --> 00:42:15,730 goings on I pretty sure we haven't I 922 00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:17,859 haven't had a chance to go to any of the 923 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:20,319 larger events yet and actually I am 924 00:42:25,140 --> 00:42:22,450 relatively new to skepticism I 925 00:42:27,450 --> 00:42:25,150 discovered skepticism about four years 926 00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:27,460 ago and it's really changed my life I'm 927 00:42:34,049 --> 00:42:30,160 very passionate about it oh it's the old 928 00:42:36,809 --> 00:42:34,059 story yeah watch out what job you're in 929 00:42:39,299 --> 00:42:36,819 for a wild ride I think at times it's 930 00:42:42,989 --> 00:42:39,309 it's certainly an interesting um what 931 00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:42,999 can we say aspect of life oh yes oh yes 932 00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:45,640 definitely and you meet some very 933 00:42:51,089 --> 00:42:49,660 interesting people and what can you tell 934 00:42:53,009 --> 00:42:51,099 our listeners a little bit about the 935 00:42:56,549 --> 00:42:53,019 Sacramento skeptics what's that seemed 936 00:42:59,009 --> 00:42:56,559 like one of the Sacramento area skeptics 937 00:43:01,890 --> 00:42:59,019 we were launched by a shame trimmer in 938 00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:01,900 2008 and we've largely been just a 939 00:43:07,979 --> 00:43:04,089 social gathering with our skeptics in 940 00:43:10,259 --> 00:43:07,989 the pub and so on and we started a 941 00:43:12,509 --> 00:43:10,269 coordinating with the Bay Area skeptics 942 00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:12,519 to put on skeptical a few years ago 943 00:43:17,489 --> 00:43:15,190 which is very exciting and then I'm also 944 00:43:19,950 --> 00:43:17,499 I've started launching a few more things 945 00:43:22,109 --> 00:43:19,960 we have skeptics in the park now and 946 00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,119 we'll have skeptics in the pool hall and 947 00:43:26,970 --> 00:43:24,160 skeptics in the bowling alley and just 948 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:26,980 all sorts of community things I am 949 00:43:30,509 --> 00:43:28,450 really trying to build that community 950 00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:30,519 that the place for people to come 951 00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:34,180 together and then talk and you know that 952 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:36,609 that whole that feeling of being part of 953 00:43:41,009 --> 00:43:39,730 something skeptics in the park that 954 00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:41,019 sounds interesting I've certainly been 955 00:43:45,859 --> 00:43:42,880 to plenty of skeptics in the pub in my 956 00:43:48,210 --> 00:43:45,869 time what skeptics in the park all about 957 00:43:50,999 --> 00:43:48,220 skeptics in the park is just about going 958 00:43:52,529 --> 00:43:51,009 to local area parks we've had a meta we 959 00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:52,539 did we just had our second one 960 00:43:57,509 --> 00:43:54,910 few weeks ago and we're just going to 961 00:43:59,219 --> 00:43:57,519 different area parks and bring kids it 962 00:44:00,439 --> 00:43:59,229 doesn't have to be kids it's not only 963 00:44:02,489 --> 00:44:00,449 family but it's definitely 964 00:44:04,169 --> 00:44:02,499 family-friendly and it's just about 965 00:44:05,759 --> 00:44:04,179 getting outdoors during the day a 966 00:44:07,319 --> 00:44:05,769 slightly different scene from the 967 00:44:08,849 --> 00:44:07,329 skeptics in the pub there are a lot of 968 00:44:10,499 --> 00:44:08,859 people who really can't make it to the 969 00:44:12,209 --> 00:44:10,509 skeptics in the pub and that's maybe 970 00:44:14,249 --> 00:44:12,219 that's not their thing or they have kids 971 00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:14,259 or whatnot but the skeptics in the park 972 00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,689 allows for that different that different 973 00:44:21,569 --> 00:44:19,359 environment to get together what a great 974 00:44:25,939 --> 00:44:21,579 idea what a great idea bring a sandwich 975 00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:25,949 02 yeah exactly a big nice badge yeah 976 00:44:30,839 --> 00:44:29,169 yeah yeah so it's a it's a lot of fun 977 00:44:32,999 --> 00:44:30,849 it's been exciting so far and in 978 00:44:34,979 --> 00:44:33,009 California we have such great weather 979 00:44:37,049 --> 00:44:34,989 most of the time that I think for most 980 00:44:40,799 --> 00:44:37,059 of the year it should be a have quite a 981 00:44:44,130 --> 00:44:40,809 fun event yes why not why not indeed I 982 00:44:47,189 --> 00:44:44,140 think it's such a bad idea maybe I might 983 00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:47,199 see about skeptics in the park day here 984 00:44:50,939 --> 00:44:49,569 in Sydney and might be a great idea and 985 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:50,949 if people are listening in the 986 00:44:55,259 --> 00:44:53,410 Sacramento area what's the website they 987 00:44:57,809 --> 00:44:55,269 should go to to find out more 988 00:44:59,009 --> 00:44:57,819 information well there's a few different 989 00:45:02,189 --> 00:44:59,019 ways they can find out more information 990 00:45:05,579 --> 00:45:02,199 either on facebook under Sacramento area 991 00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:05,589 skeptics or on meetup under Sacramento 992 00:45:12,179 --> 00:45:07,599 area skeptics and then I've just 993 00:45:16,259 --> 00:45:12,189 recently launched ww sac area skeptics 994 00:45:19,409 --> 00:45:16,269 calm so si si area skeptics calm all one 995 00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:19,419 word and all of those those resources 996 00:45:24,739 --> 00:45:21,609 have our events listed along with quite 997 00:45:35,579 --> 00:45:24,749 a few other things yes that website is 998 00:45:37,499 --> 00:45:35,589 wws a CA r e a skp2 i see is comsec area 999 00:45:40,049 --> 00:45:37,509 skeptics and there's well it's beautiful 1000 00:45:41,909 --> 00:45:40,059 lovely a picture of Sacramento you've 1001 00:45:44,669 --> 00:45:41,919 got information something about 1002 00:45:46,289 --> 00:45:44,679 skepticism and a contact button that's 1003 00:45:47,819 --> 00:45:46,299 the place to go to folks if you're in 1004 00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:47,829 the area and you want to find out more 1005 00:45:52,799 --> 00:45:50,079 but Frank I'm really keen to find out 1006 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:52,809 more myself about skeptical and 1007 00:45:59,519 --> 00:45:56,650 skeptical is a gathering it's one of the 1008 00:46:01,169 --> 00:45:59,529 few gatherings I think I haven't yet 1009 00:46:05,370 --> 00:46:01,179 attended can you tell me something about 1010 00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:05,380 that sure skeptical is the Northern 1011 00:46:08,819 --> 00:46:06,400 California 1012 00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:08,829 some of science and skepticism and it's 1013 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:11,680 a day-long event we have speakers will 1014 00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,410 panels discussions it varies a little 1015 00:46:18,930 --> 00:46:16,960 bit from year to year but it's a ton of 1016 00:46:21,299 --> 00:46:18,940 fun we have so many different people 1017 00:46:24,299 --> 00:46:21,309 coming from all over Northern California 1018 00:46:26,789 --> 00:46:24,309 we have a phenomenal speakers we've this 1019 00:46:28,620 --> 00:46:26,799 year I'm really excited about Paul 1020 00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:28,630 Doherty speaking about the boundaries of 1021 00:46:35,089 --> 00:46:32,079 science he comes from the Exploratorium 1022 00:46:37,950 --> 00:46:35,099 in San Francisco and then Dan Dugan 1023 00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:37,960 talking about a federal lawsuit to stop 1024 00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,260 public funding for waldorf schools and 1025 00:46:46,650 --> 00:46:43,839 we also have an defrag noise going to be 1026 00:46:48,690 --> 00:46:46,660 talking about astrologers and astronomy 1027 00:46:50,849 --> 00:46:48,700 and some history there with that and 1028 00:46:52,890 --> 00:46:50,859 quite a quite a few more that the 1029 00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,900 skeptical website lists all of our 1030 00:47:00,420 --> 00:46:55,119 speakers I'm having a hard time deciding 1031 00:47:02,269 --> 00:47:00,430 which one I'm more excited about now 1032 00:47:09,059 --> 00:47:02,279 what is the website by the way for them 1033 00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:09,069 the website is ww skeptical con-com sk 1034 00:47:18,089 --> 00:47:15,220 EPT IC al co n com right that's the 1035 00:47:21,059 --> 00:47:18,099 website to go to and where exactly is it 1036 00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,069 going to be held this year it's going to 1037 00:47:27,210 --> 00:47:23,200 be at the Oakland Asian Cultural Center 1038 00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,220 in in oakland california at 388 ninth 1039 00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,680 Street previous years we've had it at 1040 00:47:33,690 --> 00:47:31,359 the doubletree in berkeley but we moved 1041 00:47:35,010 --> 00:47:33,700 it to the Oakland Asian Cultural Center 1042 00:47:37,019 --> 00:47:35,020 this year we're very excited about it 1043 00:47:39,059 --> 00:47:37,029 should have a lot of really great food 1044 00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:39,069 options nearby too which is one of my 1045 00:47:43,019 --> 00:47:41,140 favorite things about yeah by going to 1046 00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:43,029 the bay area there's so much wonderful 1047 00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,480 food there oh there is a walking batch 1048 00:47:51,420 --> 00:47:48,400 of that folks is certainly is is that 1049 00:47:54,569 --> 00:47:51,430 not too far from the National Center for 1050 00:47:56,940 --> 00:47:54,579 Science Education that's actually very 1051 00:48:00,900 --> 00:47:56,950 close to the National Center for Science 1052 00:48:04,289 --> 00:48:00,910 Education yes and my co-chair for The 1053 00:48:07,740 --> 00:48:04,299 Skeptical planning committee is dr. 1054 00:48:09,269 --> 00:48:07,750 Eugenie Scott I've now now retired as 1055 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:09,279 the executive director there I'm sure 1056 00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:11,770 lots of listeners are very well are very 1057 00:48:17,069 --> 00:48:14,559 familiar with her oh absolutely and with 1058 00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,079 the genie Scott on your organization you 1059 00:48:20,490 --> 00:48:19,599 can't go wrong I think she's a she's a 1060 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:20,500 champion 1061 00:48:25,740 --> 00:48:22,810 wonderful promoter of science and has 1062 00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:25,750 been for for many many many many years 1063 00:48:30,090 --> 00:48:28,360 and whenever I'm in the area I always 1064 00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:30,100 try to catch up with Eugenie Scott of 1065 00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:32,320 course and what was that date again the 1066 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:35,320 exact date and time the exact day is a 1067 00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:38,170 may thirty first and we should start 1068 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:41,470 about 9am and we should be finishing up 1069 00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:44,410 the last the last speaker will be some 1070 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:46,030 entertainment actually should finish up 1071 00:48:50,970 --> 00:48:49,330 around six pm and people like to move 1072 00:48:53,610 --> 00:48:50,980 around and talk a little bit after that 1073 00:48:57,420 --> 00:48:53,620 so about nine to six thirty is that is 1074 00:49:00,720 --> 00:48:57,430 the range of that right May 31st for the 1075 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:00,730 people in the Bay Area in the the san 1076 00:49:05,340 --> 00:49:02,890 francisco bay area and surrounding areas 1077 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:05,350 and even interstate this would be a 1078 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:08,530 great one day skeptical gathering to get 1079 00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:12,850 to in oakland if i could if i could 1080 00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:15,100 invent a teleporter I'd be there myself 1081 00:49:19,740 --> 00:49:18,190 it is a little difficult it is a little 1082 00:49:22,050 --> 00:49:19,750 difficult to get all these things from 1083 00:49:24,570 --> 00:49:22,060 Sydney Australia I do my best I must say 1084 00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:24,580 Frank I really try I really do my best 1085 00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:27,240 and one year I am bound to make 1086 00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:29,710 skeptical and I know that's been going 1087 00:49:34,290 --> 00:49:31,510 for some years you must be really 1088 00:49:36,690 --> 00:49:34,300 looking forward to it this year oh I'm 1089 00:49:39,780 --> 00:49:36,700 extremely excited I look forward to it 1090 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:39,790 all year long it's so much fun to me so 1091 00:49:44,190 --> 00:49:41,530 many skeptics from all over the state 1092 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:44,200 and listen to such wonderful speakers 1093 00:49:50,780 --> 00:49:48,610 and it really is fantastic do you uh do 1094 00:49:53,550 --> 00:49:50,790 you know if there are any plans to 1095 00:49:57,090 --> 00:49:53,560 capture some of the talks will report on 1096 00:50:00,000 --> 00:49:57,100 some of the talks we do actually we do 1097 00:50:02,810 --> 00:50:00,010 have plans to capture those on video and 1098 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:02,820 audio I'd like to make those available 1099 00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:06,450 in the past we haven't always gotten 1100 00:50:10,140 --> 00:50:08,710 those but I'd really like to make those 1101 00:50:12,020 --> 00:50:10,150 available this year and we do have plans 1102 00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:12,030 to make that available this year oh 1103 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:14,230 that's good news that's good news 1104 00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:16,690 because if people I can't make it they 1105 00:50:21,090 --> 00:50:18,310 can always sort of catch up later on 1106 00:50:23,310 --> 00:50:21,100 it's good to do that but folks let me 1107 00:50:25,020 --> 00:50:23,320 tell you there's nothing better than 1108 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:25,030 being at one of these things in the 1109 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:28,330 flesh in person in the audience and you 1110 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:29,890 get to chat to all these wonderful 1111 00:50:34,650 --> 00:50:32,290 people Frank a pleasure to catch up with 1112 00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:34,660 you to meet you virtually meet you as 1113 00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,460 were i hope that we can meet up sometime 1114 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:40,960 before long in one of these interesting 1115 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:43,410 skeptical conventions or one of our 1116 00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:47,010 adventures but for now Frank Moshe from 1117 00:50:52,530 --> 00:50:50,560 the wonderful Sacramento area which I 1118 00:50:55,890 --> 00:50:52,540 hope to visit one day thank you for 1119 00:50:57,540 --> 00:50:55,900 being on the skeptic zone thank you very 1120 00:51:13,080 --> 00:50:57,550 much with Richard the pleasure was 1121 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:13,090 definitely mine eyne Gauss's hello an 1122 00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:15,250 ally Dawson to her that the skeptics on 1123 00:51:19,830 --> 00:51:17,860 podcasts boosted year this is our 1124 00:51:22,740 --> 00:51:19,840 endowment and in skeptic of a band gift 1125 00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:22,750 for vital information Oberon's on the 1126 00:51:31,290 --> 00:51:26,460 skeptic magazine preserved v.v.v point 1127 00:51:35,220 --> 00:51:31,300 gavey oop a punk talk eat vida holla vvv 1128 00:51:37,470 --> 00:51:35,230 Pont TV rupee Paul talk hold on to the 1129 00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:37,480 office and Facebook Twitter and Google+ 1130 00:51:59,220 --> 00:51:56,460 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1131 00:52:01,530 --> 00:51:59,230 zone so many things to remember on this 1132 00:52:05,010 --> 00:52:01,540 week's show so many conventions coming 1133 00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:05,020 up this QED in Manchester the amazing 1134 00:52:08,370 --> 00:52:06,790 meeting in Las Vegas and of course the 1135 00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:08,380 Australian skeptics national convention 1136 00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:10,720 right here in Sydney if you can get to 1137 00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:13,510 all three well done but for now it's 1138 00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,720 time for me to run back downstairs and 1139 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:18,400 just sit on the couch and rest the old 1140 00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:20,290 vocal cords I think that's probably a 1141 00:52:26,190 --> 00:52:23,200 good idea might even watch the latest 1142 00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:26,200 episode of cosmos I am enjoying that 1143 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:29,250 serious i really am no I enjoyed it 1144 00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:33,010 nearly 30 years ago too but for this 1145 00:52:43,140 --> 00:52:36,030 week for now this is Richard Saunders 1146 00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:43,150 signing off from Sydney Australia you've 1147 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:46,510 been listening to the skeptic zone visit 1148 00:52:53,580 --> 00:52:51,130 our 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